Villainous Monologues: They May Be More Common than You Think

One of the oft-mocked tropes in fiction is the Villain’s Monologue. For example, in a story the villain will somehow manage to capture the hero and hold him at his mercy on the train tracks or in his scientific lab. Then, rather than get on with the murder or the torture, the villain chooses to make a grand speech. Sometimes this speech ends with him murdering or hurting the hero, but just as often it ends with either the heroes’ friends showing up to rescue him or the hero figuring out how to get free on his own.

Critics and some audiences scoff at this. “How could anyone be so stupid?” they say. “Do the writers think real people would monologue like this rather than act quickly and decisively?”

Writers do not think real people would do this. Rather, writers know real people have done this and continue to do it because some people really believe they are the center of the universe and everyone should bow down to worship them – and that if they do not bow and worship, then they should be punished for ignoring the Great Center of All That Is. You can easily look up this mental disorder: it is called narcissism. Many people have had it and still do.

It is not hard to look up long-winded speeches from genuine historical villains. Hitler liked to hear himself talk. So did Stalin and Mao. Lenin wasn’t any different. So yes, indeed, real people with malicious intent can and will monologue to those they have in their power – or those whom they believe they have in their power.

Part of what prompted this post was a link someone shared for Nate Silver’s Twitter/X account. I will reproduce the picture from the linked post at his account below:

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That is the first page of Paul Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb. Yes, THAT Paul Ehrlich. Mr. Silver is a bit late to the party on recognizing that Ehrlich’s overpopulation theory means he literally wants lots of people who are alive now, in this present moment and all across the world, dead to satisfy him and his beliefs. I have known people who have been explaining for years that this was Mr. Ehrlich’s end goal. Here is Mr. Silver’s comment on the above picture:

So for the final chapter in my book I’ve been reading a lot about technological progress and the future of humanity. And I came across Paul Ehrlich’s “The Population Bomb”. And holy shit, how profoundly evil is it to think that The Problem is that too many humans exist.

Excuse me, Mr. Silver, but where have you been? People who read the book when it was published have been telling everyone in earshot that this was Ehrlich’s belief – and that others shared this same certainty. Did you miss the Georgia Guidestones? They made the news in 2022 because someone blew them up. Their “first commandment” was this:Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.” What do you think that means, Mr. Silver? I will tell you: it means they want all but 500 million people dead. On-the-spot dead, shot from orbit by Helicarriers dead, block out the sun to kill people dead. And yes, this includes aborting people before they even exit the womb dead – or did you not hear about Planned Parenthood having to admit they sell aborted baby parts for profit? How about the pressure to abort when a child has a condition they may die from at birth? You do that if you want to control the population. You do that if you believe “The Problem” is that “too many people” simply exist.

Why do you think Thanos has had such a rabid following since Infinity War came out? “Oh, he’s so human,” was the compliment I saw repeated over and over again by entertainment outlets praising the Mad Titan’s appearance. Thanos isn’t human, he is a monster. He wiped out half of all life – ALL life, not just human and sapient alien life – with a snap of his fingers. That is Paul Ehrlich’s and others’ wet dream, and you do not need to take my word for it. Just read that line from page one of The Population Bomb again:

People, people, people, people.

They hate people – and people includes you, reader, and Mr. Silver, do not think it doesn’t – and you can tell because Ehrlich’s only complaints are about Delhi and Calcutta. Not about New York City, which has 8 million inhabitants (or it did, until recently) or Hong Kong or any other city where the culture is to keep the city clean. Delhi and Calcutta are each from highly stratified societies in tropical regions where cleanliness is, at best, a dream. The culture in these places does not care for cleanliness as the west understands it and since a lot of India is jungle, it is not easy to stay clean there. Hence Ehrlich’s comment about a “stinking hot night in Delhi.” It used to be said that only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun in India. The country is a tropical one, which means it is naturally moist and hot even at night.

Both Delhi and Calcutta are on rivers, which means water, so people congregate there en masse to at least have something to drink and a relatively easy source of food. Keeping these cities spotless hasn’t been possible and most of the people who live there have a culture of not caring about the things which Ehrlich finds so offensive. You can take issue with that or not as you wish, but those are the main problems in Delhi, Calcutta, and other cities. It is NOT that they are “overpopulated.” Every city in history has been populous for its region. Why should Delhi and Calcutta be any different? They have a different culture but they are, at bottom, no different than any other city has been in history.

Ehrlich hates people. He apparently hates the Indian people more than most other types of people. “Old India hands will laugh at our reaction” – sir, I think Rudyard Kipling would have a few words for you, none of them he would care to print. Though once he got his anger under control and could write, laughter would be the furthest thing from his mind.

Mother Theresa of Calcutta certainly would not have laughed at you. She spent decades of her life there helping people in the slums. Her order of nuns still cares for and educates people there. They love them, which you clearly do not.

You do not even love your fellow man very much, given you pivot from Delhi and Calcutta to America quite promptly. Until recently our cities were so clean you could eat off the pavement (though most Americans would not). Now that San Francisco has maps telling you which routes to take to avoid the human defecation and drug needles on the sidewalks, and New York City has an overbearing rat problem, things are not as clean as they once were. It wouldn’t take much to clean them up – just look at what was done in November 2023 – but if you wanted to go somewhere in the United States and complain about Third World-type conditions, San Francisco would be one of your best bets. It used to be famous for its cleanliness. Now it’s got human poop all over the streets.

So, how does this relate to writing? Well, if you consider people calling for the outright murder of millions or even billions of people to be villains, and they monologue about this in public – in speech or in writing – then are you certain it is unrealistic for your fictional villain to go on a monologue while the hero is “in his power”? It never stopped Ehrlich or his fellow travelers. It did not stop someone from putting their monologue in granite and setting it up in Georgia.

Bill Gates is still monologuing about saving the planet by killing massive amounts of people. Even if he does not use those specific words, what do you think would happen if he COULD block the sun for any significant period of time? In the words of Arnim Zola from Captain America: The First Avenger, “The sanity of the plan is of no consequence.” This is what these people desire above all else and they are telling you about it to your face.

Ever wonder how Hitler came to power? How Lenin got in, or Pol Pot, or a dozen other tin pot dictators? This is how. People did not take them seriously. Not until it was too late.

The people who warned that Ehrlich’s data was wrong and that this is ultimately what he desired – a world with less people in it, because people are The Problem, in Mr. Silver’s words – were scoffed at and not taken seriously. That is how Mr. Silver can say, now that he is actually reading Ehrlich’s book: “How profoundly evil is it to think that The Problem is that too many people exist?”

We told you. We told you over and over again that this was what they believed, Mr. Silver. Now you read it in his own words and believe. Blessed are those who did not read Ehrlich’s treatise but trusted those who did, and rang the warning bell for all they were worth.

If you ever wonder where writers get their ideas for villains, this is where we get them. We read history, we read theories, and if we do not buy into them, we know about them. We know that they exist. We observe the people who do believe in them and then we write about them so that you will know they exist as well.

Evil is real. It is not stronger than good, but it can be stronger than the individual who faces it. If you are not careful, it can glide by you or approach you in a pretty manner and take you in. Then you will find yourself listening to a monologue while looking at a scalpel coming down on you and wonder how the heck you got there.

Be aware. Monologues are not confined to fiction. I wish they were – and that there was a Hulk around to interrupt them.

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But they are very real, and if you do not listen to them, it will end badly for you and for those you care about. So be watchful, readers. And future authors, if anyone says your villain’s monologue is unrealistic, ask them why. Maybe it is misplaced or too long for the scene. If that is the case, then it will need adjustment.

However, if the “problem” is that “no one would do this in real life”? Grab Paul Ehrlich’s The Population Bomb or Mr. Silver’s tweet linked above and show it to the person who complained. Because monologues are done by real people with villainous motivations. We have the proof written in stone, in ink, and in the blood of millions spilled from Russia to Vietnam to South America.

Do not let anyone tell you differently. They might just be trying to sell you a dangerous bill of goods.

54 thoughts on “Villainous Monologues: They May Be More Common than You Think

  1. Good article. [Smile]

    However two thoughts.

    Comic book Loki might monologue but IMO he wouldn’t do it at Hulk like that. He very aware of how Hulk would react and wouldn’t be that close to Hulk if he did.

    As for the Mad Titan (Thanos), the movie makers had to make him “relatable”. The comic book Mad Titan would destroy half of life because of his love for Lady Death. Just as evil as the movie Thanos, but for an insane reason.

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    1. “Just as evil as the movie Thanos, but for an insane reason.”

      I would argue that the comic Thanos was the less insane one.

      He was literally “courting Death”, the personification of the the concept. It was a gift for a girl he liked.

      Yes, yes, that’s *evil*, certainly, but it’s not insane. It was a gift she was definitely going to like, after all.

      The movie version did something that might, kinda-sorta, help the remaining half, in SOME ways… for like 20 years, give or take? Maybe 50 at the outside? (Possibly even a century or two for species with longer procreation times?) And then the “problem” he was solving would be back, exactly as before, and he destroyed the Infinity Stones, so it was a one-time thing.

      Herp-a-derp. He put in ALL that effort and sacrifice to “catch a man a fish”, but he did not “teach the man to fish”, so it was, AT BEST, a temporary reprieve from the problem he viewed as so amazingly bad. Completely stupid.

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      1. Well, no one should accuse evil of being particularly *creative.* Cunning, maybe intelligent, but creative? That requires *work.* So much simpler to just kill half the population and let the peasants figure out how to survive on whatever is left of the animal and plant life. It’s what they’re best at, after all….

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      2. It wouldn’t help, because if you randomly wipe out 50% of a culture’s population, the odds are very high you’re going to take out a lot of people who know How Things Work in any one area. And then a lot more people die.

        For example, if you randomly kill 50% of people – randomly – then in some areas it’s likely you will wipe out all the plumbers. Or doctors. Or People Who Know How To Run Nuclear Reactors.

        And then the survivors are up against a time limit: Can they find out who’s still alive who has the knowledge, and get them where they’re needed in time? Can they even find out who’s alive? After all, if you wipe out 50% of computer programmers, you could just randomly get everyone who knows how to keep the Internet running….

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      3. Yes. This. ALL of this. I thought we would spend half of Endgame dealing with this very issue, then finding and wiping the floor with Thanos. Instead we got a time skip that didn’t show any of this. We should have had it but they didn’t do it. I’m inclined to blame the studios more than the directors – the Russos knew what they were doing with both Captain America films. There’s no *way* guys who could give us such good detail on “this is how the world works” in those movies could muff Endgame like that…

        …unless they knew what we have seen since was coming, and purposely dynamited the ending so we wouldn’t have to watch our favorite heroes be Woke-ified. If that’s what they did, and the tacit evidence points that way, then I can respect them for it. I don’t have to *like* it, but I can respect them for it. *If* I’m correct in my reading, that is.

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      4. The Snap wasn’t really real. Imagine really bringing back all those people after five years. It would hit with as much force as the original deaths. Comic books!

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      5. That’s why there shouldn’t have been a time skip or any time delay at all. In this case it’s not the comics’ fault – in the comics, it all happened immediately; snap half the universe away, and five minutes (at most) later, snap everyone back. The movie did something even the comics knew better than to do.

        And given how good the directors and writers for those films had been up to that point, that is a distinctly *odd* choice for them to make without studio pressure. *With* studio pressure, however….

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      6. I can even give you a RL example. It’s estimated that Hideyoshi’s invasion of Joseon Korea wiped out or kidnapped and enslaved about 20-25% of the current population. Bear in mind that happened about 1592-1598.

        Joseon didn’t recover population-wise (and in many ways just flat-out didn’t recover) until the mid-1800s.

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      7. Yeah. History lessons tend to skip over that to hit highlights and important dates, but the fact is that you don’t just lose a quarter of your population and bounce right back as if nothing happened. WWI Europe lost an entire generation – they *still* haven’t recovered from that. It may be centuries before they can.

        Another example in a similar vein is Revolutionary France. Even if you count people emigrating (i.e. *running for their lives*, like the DuPonts did) from the country, the number of people flat-out murdered there set France back a lot. The only thing that saved them from completely falling down a hole was Napoleon putting a stop to the wanton killing.

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      8. Actually ends up being an important element in the Colors backstory, because in a case like this death is often not random – it’s your front-line defenders who die.

        Meaning a certain class of defenders in the kingdom has been very reduced in numbers – and a paranoid king has not wanted more to be trained….

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      9. “…and a paranoid king has not wanted more to be trained…”

        :facepalms, arghs, and headdesks: Bad idea – *such* a bad idea!!!!

        And yes, the guys on the front are always the ones who get hit the hardest. Lose too many of them, you not only lose bodies and men, but skill and knowledge. That’s the problem Russia keeps running into, often due to *not caring* about the men or their skills and concerning itself primarily with numerical force (when they’re not actively shipping the guys out to get killed because they have the wrong politics, anyway). ARGH. :headdesk: Short-sighted views like that get so many people KILLED who don’t need it. UGH.

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      10. Yup. And after a point, you can’t even blame him for being paranoid. When they really ARE all out to get the king, and they might be *worse* than the paranoid king…. It’s not an excuse. But it *makes sense.*

        Still. AUGH.

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      11. And *there* is the point where you CAN blame the guy. Sheesh! Dude, these people have been loyal to you (or your throne) for centuries. If you’re questioning *their* loyalty, you either need more time outdoors *away from court, NOW* – or you’ve got a problem, and court ain’t it at all.

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      12. (I need to work out more exact details at some point, but – the current queen has the agenda to put her son on the throne when he comes of age, natch. Unfortunately said son is not the oldest son, and said current older prince is having to dodge assassins because of this.)

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      13. Nobody’s proved she’s behind it. Yet.

        I suspect Chae’s already decided on taking certain actions if it ever is proven, because the country can’t afford to lose Choe Ryu-cha to a Roaring Rampage of Revenge.

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      14. I’ll bet she does. You do *not* go up against a scheming manipulator without at least three plans: One to drop her, one to drop her after you’ve proved without a doubt she did it, and one to get her arrested and *held* until the trial, where she is given an exit by the state.

        Any other plans after that are just insurance.

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      15. Niiiice. *Takes notes.*

        The situation also should tie in neatly to Jason eventually deciding they need to get a Certain Person out of the country for a while for his health. And look, we need to go explore somewhere to get ahead of other lands…

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      16. 😀 Thanks.

        Ooo, yes! Perfect! Hmm. Could frame it as a diplomatic envoy or good will tour – maybe even frame it as a way of establishing good relations that the, ah, cough, former queen may have knocked out of balance….

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      17. Jason: “We’re going to get chocolate. I refuse to deal with this mess any longer without it. Also, America has ginseng.”

        Court official: “…Yeah we need to send somebody, we can’t miss that chance….”

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      18. That was their fathers, and my fathers. Am I really of the same inspiring stuff? Would I be sufficient if they weren’t always comparing me?

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      19. One of Chris Nuttall’s kings was the great-grandson of a king who was the pawn of his kingdom’s powerful nobles. Thus he had good reasons to be concerned about the current nobility (especially since some had tried to kill him recently). Then he was concerned about “uppity” commoners (lead by merchants, craftsmen). And then he annoyed his daughter (his heir and only legitimate child) by fathering an illegitimate son on an unmarried noble woman. She was rightly concerned about him legitimatize the young boy (and putting away her mother).

        So he had very good reasons to be paranoic. 😉

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      20. Nod.

        There was another factor. Chris’s main character was a young woman from our world and besides becoming a very powerful magician was spreading new ideas/tech into her new world. Some of her new ideas/tech causing problems with the status quo.

        Worse of all, the main character was a good friend of the king’s daughter. So the king is “rightly” worried that the main character might support the Crown Princess. 😈

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      21. One downside of an elective monarchy is that if the electors really can pick anyone the current king has an incentive to loot the rest of the country to profit his family’s holdings.

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  2. well

    Human behavior is not ergoditic. Disordered appetites for evil can correlate to disordered appetites for evil. IE, someone who wants to do evil to a lot of distant people using proxies may also want to do evil in person by talking to people.

    Fleming wrote about a real correlation of behaviors.

    However, there is a joke in ‘I write romances. These clusters of evil are not so common that I want to have a string of heroines interested both in a comic book supervillain, and in a valorous man of action, only to choose the man of action at some point before or after they are tied up by the supervillain.’ Which is to say that some types of plot work well with a villain that would better fit a different pattern.

    That said, some vocal coworker hijacking business time or a meeting to rant for their personal agenda could serve just as well as a demonstration of personal evil in a story.

    Heroine is interested a couple of single men at work, duh, duh, duh, and the DIE fanboy has some pretty serious personality flaws, etc. Presumeably she learns a bit about herself, and about what really counts as a personality flaw over the course of the story.

    Dunno. I’m not exactly a diligent story writer.

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  3. By happenstance, I know some same-generation relatives of Ehrlich (lefties all, from folk-music circles). As a rare conservative in that setting, I mostly don’t pick fights, but I have periodically probed them to see if they express any reservations about the Ehrlich position of population excess being an unmitigated problem.

    Haven’t heard any yet…

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      1. My parents used the Population Bomb as a club on their children; they wanted a big family, but we couldn’t be so selfish as to have children because Too Many People.

        You could say they hated people too – they just wanted enough around to do their bidding, but no one to take attention away from them. So, same reasoning as Ehrlich and the UN.

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      2. :tries to think of appropriate response that is also polite, fails utterly: I may have to go blow off steam later. That is…grrr.

        And yes, unfortunately, that is the *exact* attitude I am talking about. “WE are the center of the universe, but you *cannot* have a large family because it will destroy the planet/society/whatever (and distract from us, but we won’t *say* that). You don’t want to be selfish, do you?” :chews nails, spits: Hulk, I need to borrow your desert for a minute.

        Have I mentioned lately that I’m glad you’re in this world and that we chat a lot and read each other’s stuff? Because I am. You’re a lot of fun to be around, even on the interwebs. If I can’t read any other post on my WP feed, yours are the ones I *always* find time for because they’re always interesting (and shiny!).

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      3. Heh. For that you can thank Tolkien, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Robert E. Howard, and Donald Bellisario for making Airwolf.

        Seriously, Airwolf and the whole Cold War spy shenanigans mess was inspirational for surviving when you can’t get rational, straight answers out of people around you!

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  4. What on earth is more natural than Syndrome monologuing at Mr. Incredible? He doesn’t want to kill him, he wants to break his spirit.

    That, of course, requires specific vices.

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  5. You overlooked one aspect of the passage from Ehrlich: It was Little Brown People that inspired his fear.

    He’s always been a misanthropic racist.

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  6. The U.N. was institutionally aware that the world population increase rate was leveling off in 1960, 8 years before the Ehrlichs (his wife was a coauthor, but she is seldom acknowledged) published “The Population Bomb,” so the subsequent power grabs in the name of defusing the population bomb were always fundamentally cynically dishonest. But then so are the power grabs for climate, etc. The astonishing thing is that Paul Ehrlich is lionized to this day, despite not a single prediction he has ever made has come to pass.

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  7. Ever been to India? Yes, it’s crowded. Yes, there are slums. But I never experienced anything like what Ehrlich wrote. Flea infested? Nope. Begging through the taxi window. Nope. That reads to me like one of the most racist things I’ve ever seen.

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  8. A few thoughts on a great post…

    If you don’t believe super-villains monologue, then you haven’t been paying attention to Davos. Or to a lot of speeches in the UN. Though, admittedly, those are <em>not</em> to individual heroes.

    Very nice allusion to Scripture (‘Doubting’ Thomas). And very appropriate.

    <em>Evil is real. It is not stronger than good, but it can be stronger than the individual who faces it.</em>

    I can’t believe you didn’t reference the ST:TOS episode <em>The Omega Glory</em>

    In terms of monologues, it’s a human need to justify oneself. Especially when faced with the hero (who opposes his maniacal plan) the villain <em>must</em> justify why he is doing this. If he doesn’t feel the need then he either has NO conscience or he doesn’t feel threatened by the hero.

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